BUCK: The vaccine push is still very much underway here, and Governor Cuomo of New York… Clay, the worst governor for the pandemic? Is that fair or do you think Newsom? Who gets the top spot?

CLAY: I think you can say worst governor for the pandemic. I think you can make a strong argument that Governor Cuomo — if the goal of a governor is to protect its citizenry and help them to have jobs, I think you could make a strong argument that Andrew Cuomo is the worst governor of most of our lives — not even just the pandemic.